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Post by Admin - Shine on Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:38 pm

Picked up my next project boat today.  Its a 1970 forumla 23.  Classic hull that has been the grandmother of many popular 23'-25' center console hulls, a few of the more famous include whitewater 25, first seavee 25, contender, avanti, and half a dozen others.  

This one will be completely gutted and made into a center console.  I will probably bolt a bracket onto the transom, but I have not ruled out making an integrated euro-style transom and stretching it by 2'.

Rough start.....  

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Post by DAYTRIP on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:24 pm

Looking forward to this one Joel!

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Post by Admin - Shine on Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:42 pm

DAYTRIP wrote:Looking forward to this one Joel!

Im looking forward to it too Very Happy Im just not looking forward to the demo. The plan is to line up another rebuild for a customer so I can afford to hire out most of the demo and finishing Very Happy
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Post by stevenaa on Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:26 pm

Go for the integrated transom. I think it would look great and be a great tutorial. Smile

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Post by Admin - Shine on Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:18 pm

stevenaa wrote:Go for the integrated transom.   I think it would look great and be a great tutorial.  Smile

It would look nice, but Im not sure I will have time on this one. I will already be making a custom cap/deck, so I will be looking for "bolt on/glass on" solutions. I may make the hardtop though. Still plenty of time to plan it out. The plan is to rebuild this boat along side another one (for someone else) and the work wont start until both hulls are ready.
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Post by Admin - Shine on Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:12 pm

got a few hours into the demo today. Its going to be much more work than I thought. The boat had its deck replaced at some point. When the deck was replaced, they bolted 2x4 to either side of the stringers (with 5200), then they 5200 bonded down the new deck (3/4" plywood), then screwed it down with 3" stainless screws, THEN glassed over everything. SO, its going to take few more hours and a few more sawzal blades than I thought.

Remarkably the stringers are perfect, almost 30 years old and not much of any water intrusion and little to no rot. They are still coming out though.

Happy to find a poly tank in there, it can get cut up/out a lot easier than a metal one Smile







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Post by DAYTRIP on Fri May 01, 2015 1:06 pm

looks itchy! Are you doing gunnels and all? I saw a post of some guy who put two 250s on one of these. I would say a little over powered.

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Post by Admin - Shine on Fri May 01, 2015 2:36 pm

Itchy is right. Had I known the deck was this hard to get off I might have passed on this hull.

My good buddy has same hull (avanti) with a single 300 and it runs great. I might go for twins though if I find a deal - a pair of 200's would be pretty sweet - a real rocket ship. There are plenty of whitewater 25 and older seavee/contenders 25's with twin 225's and 250's, same hull.

All new cap for this one, will probably save just the rim so I can tie it in (like you did on the bertram Smile )

Hows the bretram going?
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Post by DAYTRIP on Fri May 01, 2015 8:19 pm

Lots of power for 23 ft. The Bertram is going slow! I have not had a lot of time to spend on it unfortunately. More work this weekend

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Post by Admin - Shine on Tue May 05, 2015 4:43 pm

got in another couple hours of demo today. These 37 year old stringers are completely dry and solid. A little bit of a shame to cut them, but when you look at the time and money it takes to put together a nice 25' CC it make sense to go ahead and have new stringers.





Starting to think about stringer grid. Had planned on making a pair of fiberglass trapezoid stringers (foam filled), but now Im leaning towards 4 composite sandwich (coosa/penske type), mainly so I can get use of the beam to make fish boxes in the stern between stringers. Would also open option of using saddle fuel tanks.
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Post by Cracker Larry on Tue May 05, 2015 5:10 pm

Makes me tired just looking at it Exclamation That's a big project for sure. Great hull though and certainly worth it.

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Post by Admin - Shine on Thu May 07, 2015 5:52 pm

Cracker Larry wrote:Makes me tired just looking at it Exclamation

I can only take 2 hours at a time, max. Demo is pretty brutal. Laughing

Picked up a new sawzall blade and hit it for about 1-1/2 hour today. Had to stop when the dumpster was full. Its coming apart much easier now that I am past all the 5200 and stainless steel screws Evil or Very Mad







More demo to come ......
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Post by DAYTRIP on Thu May 07, 2015 10:16 pm

You are the man buddy. Why do you want to do the stringers? Just so it is 100%?

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Post by Admin - Shine on Fri May 08, 2015 12:40 pm

DAYTRIP wrote:You are the man buddy. Why do you want to do the stringers? Just so it is 100%?

yeah, I figure Im going to put a lot of money/time and my hide overtop of those stringers. Its a nice feeling knowing the person who laminated the stringers on your boat Smile
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Post by PARyachts on Sun May 10, 2015 3:06 am

Joel, try a diamond blade in an angle grinder, like the type used for cutting tile. 4" and 4.5" are typical and you'll stop eating up reciprocating blades. If it's a good angle grinder, with a vacuum port on the shroud, you'll be less itchy too. I'll assume you know about baby powder, hair spray and liquid glove . . .
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Post by Admin - Shine on Mon May 11, 2015 9:17 am

Hey Paul. You have a good point. I do have a grinder with cutoff wheel that Im saving for the more delicate work (removing liner and transom skin). I have not tried the tile blade, just use metal cutting blades, so I think I will give that a try.

I dont mind an itch, I wear pants and long sleeve shirt along with a dust mask, in this heat (outside) its not fun, but I knew that going into it Smile
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Post by DAYTRIP on Tue May 12, 2015 4:43 pm

What is the hair spray and liquid glove tricks? Does the baby powder really help?

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Post by Admin - Shine on Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:31 pm

getting back to the formula.... have most of the demo work done, still have to grind out the rest of the foam from around the tank, then remove the core from the i/o transom bump-out. Braced the sides of the hull before I cut the last couple feet of the cap off.

For stringers, I have decided to make fiberglass trapezoids. I will still have 4 of them, but the spacing will be different. I am making the forms for these on a mold, then will trim to fit into hull, then covered in glass to get the total thickness. Will use same mold to make transverse framing (grid system). The tops of the grid pieces will be 5" wide, so I have room to run chases inside them. They will be filled with expanding foam after they are glassed into place.







Here is the mold going together. Its MDF with a plastic "cap". The plastic cap is just a short cut to getting the shape I want. The MDF will be epoxy coated.







I have the first inventory of transom core and foam core being shipped next week. Will be stocking the transom core in 3/4" (26 lb fiberglass reinforced foam) and the lighter version in 1/2" (for decks/caps/etc), also getting 25mm thick pre-glassed honeycomb panels. I will be using the honeycomb for the formula sole.
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Post by lawtoolguy on Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:50 pm

How would the honeycomb work for a hardtop Joel? Finished sole last weekend with the 1/2 " meranti I had left but still have a painful amount of fairing to do.

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Post by Admin - Shine on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:27 pm

lawtoolguy wrote:How would the honeycomb work for a hardtop Joel? Finished sole last weekend with the 1/2 " meranti I had left but still have a painful amount of fairing to do.

Yes, its used on many hardtops. If I end up building a hardtop for this boat, it will most likely have a honeycomb core.

Finished sole last weekend with the 1/2 " meranti I had left but still have a painful amount of fairing to do.

Thats a big step. I can only wish I was at the fairing stage on this project Very Happy
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Post by Admin - Shine on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:58 pm

making mold for stringer/frame parts

Capped the uprights with another piece of MDF, then rounded over and epoxy coated. Faired the joints a little before first resin coat. Will get another epoxy coat, then a sand, and then one last epoxy coat before its ready,





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Post by DAYTRIP on Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:29 am

Looks good Joel. I did the same thing on the ski boat I did but a much narrower section. Works great. How many layers are you thinking?

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Post by Admin - Shine on Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:30 pm

The shape of this transom does not make for an easy core application, I was looking at putting in 2 x 3/4" transom foam int he i/o bump, followed by a third layer across the whole (curved) transom. Knowing how much putty, grinding, mess that is going to be I have been thinking of a better way

I am considering going with a poured transom for this boat. I have always disliked the pour transoms,most of the time they are used as a short cut and you can never ensure a good bond. In this case I am able to ensure a bond (all the old outside skin has been ground). Plan would be to tab (glass around outside) a piece of transom board straight across the back, brace it, then pour a ceramic reinforced transom. Then a new inside glass skin would be put in. Finial thickness will be substantial, well over 3" in the center. Besides a little extra wait, and cost this might be the best option for this boat.

I may fill the I/o bump with transom foam before pouring, that would save weight and cost.

I may go with twins on this boat, so the added transom strength would be welcome
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Post by Admin - Shine on Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:31 pm

transom is just about cleaned up

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Post by DAYTRIP on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:09 pm

What about just cutting the bump out off the boat and re-skin it in that area? A piece of melamine on the outside and lay it up. It would make the bracket easier. Other benefit is you could stop grinding now!

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